General 2023 NZ Warriors Preseason

Warriorshopeful

I don't think Tohu Harris is a bad choice, I critiqued him last year but I've noticed he does speak up to the ref more often than I previously thought. He does get caught out a bit with players encouraging him to use captains challenge poorly though.

We really need to let him know when Casey Badger is in the bunker so he knows to not use it that game!
 
Stalefish540

Stalefish540

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No surprise. Tough draw, no extra games in NZ, sums up the attitude of the NRL towards the warriors. However I agree, we need to play up to the opposition.
Not sure how true that is, we have always been given pretty reasonable draws and done sweet f'all with it.
 
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mt.wellington

mt.wellington

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Does anyone know what sort of camp the team are going on next week for a couple days? I'm hoping it's a boot camp...
 
Gizzyfan

Gizzyfan

From what I have seen in interviews with players, there seems to be a constant theme that they are learning something every day.

lThat gives me a bit of hope. In such an intense competition as the NRL here are only fine lines between the best and the also rans. Physically and talent wise there is little between the teams.

That little edge comes from Coaching and knowing and executing their roles, and trusting the guy next to you is doing theirs.

With the Warriors my contention is the players are not committed in the same manner as the best teams.

Think of it as bacon and eggs, the chicken is involved and performs, but the pig is committed.
 
Warriorsitsouryear

Warriorsitsouryear

From what I have seen in interviews with players, there seems to be a constant theme that they are learning something every day.

lThat gives me a bit of hope. In such an intense competition as the NRL here are only fine lines between the best and the also rans. Physically and talent wise there is little between the teams.

That little edge comes from Coaching and knowing and executing their roles, and trusting the guy next to you is doing theirs.

With the Warriors my contention is the players are not committed in the same manner as the best teams.

Think of it as bacon and eggs, the chicken is involved and performs, but the pig is committed.
Just to add to the learning part - like the wrestling they have recently done...it has sounded like they hardly practiced the wrestle and ruck speed - as we were / are the worst at it. Now Te Maire Martin is talking about them learning as others are saying the same thing. The worry yet again is that sounds like they haven't been learning much in the past or they are surprised that they are learning so much. I realize Te Maire Martin has just arrived but it does sound like the coaching here has been elevated far beyond what it has been in the last 4-5 years.

On another note - if the two youngsters that have been let go - is largely due to their work ethic and attitude (Girlfriend won't be the sole reason) - I am stoked they have been released. If there are others - then get rid of them too. It only takes one rotten banana to spoil the whole bowl! We need to raise our standards and expectations of one another.
 
mt.wellington

mt.wellington

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I don't know what camp - but I did hear Te Maire Martin say that most of the fitness was finished and it is a lot of 13 v 13 now - so I doubt its a boot camp. Also we will be missing 3-4 players with the All Star game too.
Agree. Too late in preseason too. The last time they did one in 2014 was in late December just before break up. Camp Hell...
 

Juno

I’d argue the talent level disparity between the top teams and bottom teams is massive.

The top coaching prospects are so picky about who they take on as their first job because they know a crappy roster will kill their career straight out the gate.
I don't know about talent level, but experience level, for sure.
What I like about Webster is he's looking at the strengths and weaknesses of his roster I think, and looking to find a way to maximize opportunities based on that.
It's easy for some clubs to stack teams according to money, what usually works (and it usually does) and they have the resources, maybe, and the reputation to pull those players.
I love that the Warriors are testing the boundaries of the above to a degree (mostly because they have no choice) and I think (I hope) that the Warriors create/ surprise the comp because of it.
Can't help it, I'm an optimist lol 😆
 
wizards rage

wizards rage

The numbers I’ve seen tend to suggest a higher squad age/experience level doesn’t really predict success.
It’s common knowledge that you need 50-100 games before you are ‘settled’ into first grade. Ages 25-28 is also recognised as peak age for a player. If our team has less players in the green period and more at their peak age, we are set up to perform better than last year.

I fully get the Panthers are really young though and they do ok but their systems embed the experience much earlier.
 
TeetsNRL

TeetsNRL

It’s common knowledge that you need 50-100 games before you are ‘settled’ into first grade. Ages 25-28 is also recognised as peak age for a player. If our team has less players in the green period and more at their peak age, we are set up to perform better than last year.

I fully get the Panthers are really young though and they do ok but their systems embed the experience much earlier.

The Rugby League Eye Test guys crunched the numbers on this last year and bar middle forwards players actually tend to reach their peak in their early 20s with the end of peak being around 26.

I’m just saying there’s way more to a good team than their experience level.

Anthony Griffin would be the games greatest coach if winning the NRL was as simple as stacking up experienced players.

The Superleague and NSW/Q Cup squads are littered with 25-28yo NRL vets with 50 games plus of experience.

Experience alone isn’t enough. Obviously you’re not going to win with a Jersey Flegg team either, but there’s so much more to a making good team than their combined number of games played.

This is from an article about the average age of NRL Championship winning squads.

Generally speaking, the spread of ages has remained tight across the premiership-winning teams of the last 30 years,” he revealed.

“The rosters have been more concentrated with 23-25 -year-olds more than other rosters have been.

“For example, they’d have a lot of 23-, 24- and 25-year-olds, as opposed to other rosters which have a mixture of 18- and 35-year-olds.”

The Storm is more tilted towards having a collection of 30-year-old players with the likes of Jesse Bromwich, Kenny Bromwich, Felise Kaufusi, Chris Lewis and Tom Eisenhuth balanced against the likes of Xavier Coates, Tyran Wishart and Jack Howarth.

However, Radar said this may not be the best grouping, as the past premiership winners have often derived their average age from a lot of similar-aged players.

“Why does that matter? It points to team cohesion being the biggest determiner of on-field success,” he said.

Link for the full thing.

 
wizards rage

wizards rage

The Rugby League Eye Test guys crunched the numbers on this last year and bar middle forwards players actually tend to reach their peak in their early 20s with the end of peak being around 26.

I’m just saying there’s way more to a good team than their experience level.

Anthony Griffin would be the games greatest coach if winning the NRL was as simple as stacking up experienced players.

The Superleague and NSW/Q Cup squads are littered with 25-28yo NRL vets with 50 games plus of experience.

Experience alone isn’t enough. Obviously you’re not going to win with a Jersey Flegg team either, but there’s so much more to a making good team than their combined number of games played.

This is from an article about the average age of NRL Championship winning squads.

Generally speaking, the spread of ages has remained tight across the premiership-winning teams of the last 30 years,” he revealed.

“The rosters have been more concentrated with 23-25 -year-olds more than other rosters have been.

“For example, they’d have a lot of 23-, 24- and 25-year-olds, as opposed to other rosters which have a mixture of 18- and 35-year-olds.”

The Storm is more tilted towards having a collection of 30-year-old players with the likes of Jesse Bromwich, Kenny Bromwich, Felise Kaufusi, Chris Lewis and Tom Eisenhuth balanced against the likes of Xavier Coates, Tyran Wishart and Jack Howarth.

However, Radar said this may not be the best grouping, as the past premiership winners have often derived their average age from a lot of similar-aged players.

“Why does that matter? It points to team cohesion being the biggest determiner of on-field success,” he said.

Link for the full thing.

Respect all that and valid points.

I will counter that 23 year olds can’t have more experience than a 28 year old. Maybe kiwis who get less quality coaching younger peak older?

For the sake of our season though I hope your wrong 🤣
 
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wizards rage

wizards rage

The Rugby League Eye Test guys crunched the numbers on this last year and bar middle forwards players actually tend to reach their peak in their early 20s with the end of peak being around 26.

I’m just saying there’s way more to a good team than their experience level.

Anthony Griffin would be the games greatest coach if winning the NRL was as simple as stacking up experienced players.

The Superleague and NSW/Q Cup squads are littered with 25-28yo NRL vets with 50 games plus of experience.

Experience alone isn’t enough. Obviously you’re not going to win with a Jersey Flegg team either, but there’s so much more to a making good team than their combined number of games played.

This is from an article about the average age of NRL Championship winning squads.

Generally speaking, the spread of ages has remained tight across the premiership-winning teams of the last 30 years,” he revealed.

“The rosters have been more concentrated with 23-25 -year-olds more than other rosters have been.

“For example, they’d have a lot of 23-, 24- and 25-year-olds, as opposed to other rosters which have a mixture of 18- and 35-year-olds.”

The Storm is more tilted towards having a collection of 30-year-old players with the likes of Jesse Bromwich, Kenny Bromwich, Felise Kaufusi, Chris Lewis and Tom Eisenhuth balanced against the likes of Xavier Coates, Tyran Wishart and Jack Howarth.

However, Radar said this may not be the best grouping, as the past premiership winners have often derived their average age from a lot of similar-aged players.

“Why does that matter? It points to team cohesion being the biggest determiner of on-field success,” he said.

Link for the full thing.

Shall we make a bet - I think with an older squad we will finish above 15th place last year.

Too much reliant on Walsh, Berry, Vailea, Kosi, Asi, Lussick, etc last year. Not blaming the guys, but too many young players at once. You need more old heads to balance it out.
 

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