General 2021 Warriors Preseason

wizards rage

1st Grade Fringe
Apr 18, 2016
2,772
Tauranga
It is a good idea in theory. At least someone is thinking about the covid reality. Lots of posts in this thread about home games are crazy.

Cost is the killer. They have to pay full price for quarantine, and that aside, logistics would be a nightmare. The Govt would not, and should not free up that many beds....

They could get a special arrangement to hire out an entire facility themselves but that again would be a nightmare to organise and still cost a lot.

There will be no games in NZ till well into the NRL season period.

Not unless you start seeing Australia dominate the outbreaks like New Zealand can.

Lets hope there is a bubble later in the year....but do not get our hopes up.

I can imagine our Govt getting cold feet on a bubble with a country that has cases while a Vaccine for us is very close and our exit strategy while complicated is a thing.
If we change our policy to everyone entering the country gets vaccinated. Would visitors then not need to be quarantined?

ie travel completely opens up as soon as the vaccine is available, well before the general population has been immunised?
 

mrblonde

Warriors 1st Grader
Apr 14, 2012
3,598
Auckland
Except it's going to be well into 2021 before A) A vaccine gets approved and B) That vaccine gets shown to be effective.

The Government will not and should not fund sports teams in quarantine. Any funding in that regard should be from the sports associations/organisations involved.

So, as far as 2021 is concerned, if there's no bubble, there's no games at Mt Smart.
 

Sup42

Warriors 1st Grader
May 7, 2012
17,718
If we change our policy to everyone entering the country gets vaccinated. Would visitors then not need to be quarantined?

ie travel completely opens up as soon as the vaccine is available, well before the general population has been immunised?
Good question see Mrblondes post below:
Except it's going to be well into 2021 before A) A vaccine gets approved and B) That vaccine gets shown to be effective.

The Government will not and should not fund sports teams in quarantine. Any funding in that regard should be from the sports associations/organisations involved.

So, as far as 2021 is concerned, if there's no bubble, there's no games at Mt Smart.

I'm going to try to draw a big picture here so people have a clearer idea of what we are up against. Because the reality is not sinking in.

Starting with Vaccines and kind of working backwards from today.

You know how we skipped eight years of the Vaccine development to get to a one year later "Ninety five percent effective" MRNA Vaccine?....well like Mr blonde says, no one can say how well the Vaccine works in terms of stopping the spread of Covid.

It may be that they don't stop the spread, it is possible it merely reduces the severity of symptoms.

That alone kills off the idea of relying on vaccinating arrivals rather than our own population...for now.

However it is probable that people will need some form of proof of Vaccination before entering NZ in future anyway, but on it's own it isn't an exit strategy. So far it looks like they will need proof of having two doses, these Vaccines look like they need a booster.

A bubble is the only short term answer. Near one hundred percent Vaccine coverage of New Zealands population is part of the long term answer.

But it is complicated, since while there are pockets of Covid disease around the world, those bubbles are vulnerable.

Estimates on how long it will take to Vaccinate the globe to a degree where the Vaccine stomps out the Virus through Vaccine generated herd immunity are four to five years.

What we hope will happen before then is that the virus burns itself out in a one or two year time frame after the Vaccine program is really well under way, that would be best case scenario.

In the mean time we will probably enjoy periods where we have a bubble from later next year, but it will be a fragile bubble with lots of moving parts across two countries and several states.
 

Old Sid

1st Grade Fringe
Nov 8, 2014
667
It seems very clear to me that this Government have absolutely no intention of managing the border in any practical way (they struggle to manage closed off quarantine facilities)_ Their intention is to keep the border firmly closed until a vaccine has arrived, and even then it will be very interesting how they manage opening. This means zero home games in the first half of the season at least.

That being the case, if the NRL really respected and were grateful to the Warriors then the first half of the season would have been allocated fully to 'away' games. They not only didn't do this, they allocated the first 2 games as 'home' and took a home game away to Brisbane. Some thanks.

Seriously, just hot air from this Government and the NRL.

Aussie is opening, not a beep from this lot. They are very comfortable as is. Ask the folks in the Cook Islands.....
 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
17,718
It seems very clear to me that this Government have absolutely no intention of managing the border in any practical way (they struggle to manage closed off quarantine facilities)_ Their intention is to keep the border firmly closed until a vaccine has arrived, and even then it will be very interesting how they manage opening. This means zero home games in the first half of the season at least.

That being the case, if the NRL really respected and were grateful to the Warriors then the first half of the season would have been allocated fully to 'away' games. They not only didn't do this, they allocated the first 2 games as 'home' and took a home game away to Brisbane. Some thanks.

Seriously, just hot air from this Government and the NRL.

Aussie is opening, not a beep from this lot. They are very comfortable as is. Ask the folks in the Cook Islands.....
Australia opening to New Zealanders is an admission that this countries Government is better at managing the Virus than theirs.

The flip side is that this Govt (wisely) cannot trust what Australia has shown to be average management of the virus.

I agree the NRL should have tried to help the Warriors in a real way.

I guess it is the same old story, the Networks dictate how when and where the game is played and the NRL pretend to,
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matiunz

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Jul 15, 2013
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Australia opening to New Zealanders is an admission that this countries Government is better at managing the Virus than theirs.

The flip side is that this Govt (wisely) cannot trust what Australia has shown to be average management of the virus.

I agree the NRL should have tried to help the Warriors in a real way.

I guess it is the same old story, the Networks dictate how when and where the game is played and the NRL pretend to,
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Curious why you think Aus response has been average? By all accounts they’ve been praised as being successful at managing the virus. COVID has been gone from the major states for about a month now and there’s only the odd outlier in SA and WA here and there- not really any different to what we’ve seen in Auckland and Christchurch.NZ and Aus are very different propositions in how to treat the virus- and NZ has done very well but also doesn’t have the same challenges other countries do
 

Sup42

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May 7, 2012
17,718
Curious why you think Aus response has been average? By all accounts they’ve been praised as being successful at managing the virus. COVID has been gone from the major states for about a month now and there’s only the odd outlier in SA and WA here and there- not really any different to what we’ve seen in Auckland and Christchurch.NZ and Aus are very different propositions in how to treat the virus- and NZ has done very well but also doesn’t have the same challenges other countries do
Australia has done well in relative terms. Very well.

But compared to NZ they ended up way behind us in terms of the impact to their society and their economy.

Australia is a big Island with closed borders.

Had they a national lead response they could have at least matched NZ and in some ways likely surpassed it.

Per Capita, they have many times New Zealands health budget. They have many times more staff. They have many times the man power and budget to run contact tracing.

People don't appreciate that Australia is really NZ in this covid thing, scaled up, with more resources to manage the virus.

The state versus federal govt thing is where they failed themselves. Like I said earlier, if the existential threat to Australia was millitary....would there even be a discussion about the Federal vs State Govt roles?

No, because the Federal Govt has the power and the mandate to exercise absolute sovereignty under conditions of National threat.

But Morrison’s Govt did a Trump, they entered into this idea...and remember it is just an idea, of the Federal Govt having a role once removed.

So you had several States all running different experiments, because that is what they are, experimental models instead of one unified top down lead Federal level Ministry of health lead response.

In deaths alone Aussie has nine hundred versus our twenty five.
Per capita that is multiple times worse than the NZ (touch wood) figures. But overall they have done well....but not well enough for us to have a bubble.

Aussie could have smashed this thing. They could have smashed it early. They have at least the same parameters as NZ with the benefit of more to fight with.
 

Old Sid

1st Grade Fringe
Nov 8, 2014
667
Australia has done well in relative terms. Very well.

But compared to NZ they ended up way behind us in terms of the impact to their society and their economy.

Australia is a big Island with closed borders.

Had they a national lead response they could have at least matched NZ and in some ways likely surpassed it.

Per Capita, they have many times New Zealands health budget. They have many times more staff. They have many times the man power and budget to run contact tracing.

People don't appreciate that Australia is really NZ in this covid thing, scaled up, with more resources to manage the virus.

The state versus federal govt thing is where they failed themselves. Like I said earlier, if the existential threat to Australia was millitary....would there even be a discussion about the Federal vs State Govt roles?

No, because the Federal Govt has the power and the mandate to exercise absolute sovereignty under conditions of National threat.

But Morrison’s Govt did a Trump, they entered into this idea...and remember it is just an idea, of the Federal Govt having a role once removed.

So you had several States all running different experiments, because that is what they are, experimental models instead of one unified top down lead Federal level Ministry of health lead response.

In deaths alone Aussie has nine hundred versus our twenty five.
Per capita that is multiple times worse than the NZ (touch wood) figures. But overall they have done well....but not well enough for us to have a bubble.

Aussie could have smashed this thing. They could have smashed it early. They have at least the same parameters as NZ with the benefit of more to fight with.
Gotta disagree here. At least Aussies are trying to open up for travel and sport while managing incidents. All we have done is absolutely lock up... with a small isolated island that is not managing, that's just closing shop.
Using your logic, Cook Islands have managed this thing the best in the world. Australia have far more challenges and are proactively trying to make things happen including a NRL season. This Government is entirely happy to sit pretty and wait, while waiting for scientists to say all is safe. Scientists are never going to say that. That's like asking a lawyer or accountant what you should do. All they'll do is tell you the options, the risks and let you make up your own mind.
How's the tracing technology going...nothing heard on this for months, just like last time before the Auckland second lock down. There is no management solution planned, they are very happy as-is with 14 days quarantine, and they can blame scientists opinion and waiting for a vaccine...that's not managing, that's opting out.
Warriors home games this next season are highly unlikely as is reasonable international travel to 'clean' locations with 15 min tests before boarding and returning.
 

Sup42

Warriors 1st Grader
May 7, 2012
17,718
Gotta disagree here. At least Aussies are trying to open up for travel and sport while managing incidents. All we have done is absolutely lock up... with a small isolated island that is not managing, that's just closing shop.
Using your logic, Cook Islands have managed this thing the best in the world. Australia have far more challenges and are proactively trying to make things happen including a NRL season. This Government is entirely happy to sit pretty and wait, while waiting for scientists to say all is safe. Scientists are never going to say that. That's like asking a lawyer or accountant what you should do. All they'll do is tell you the options, the risks and let you make up your own mind.
How's the tracing technology going...nothing heard on this for months, just like last time before the Auckland second lock down. There is no management solution planned, they are very happy as-is with 14 days quarantine, and they can blame scientists opinion and waiting for a vaccine...that's not managing, that's opting out.
Warriors home games this next season are highly unlikely as is reasonable international travel to 'clean' locations with 15 min tests before boarding and returning.

Fair enough.

Personally I think you are willing to risk a lot for some league games and a travel bubble.

I fully appreciate managed risk.

However NZ is uniquely placed to come out of this thing faster and at least cost than anyone and it would be a radical call to change that and risk it all now.
 

Lance155

1st Grade Fringe
Feb 24, 2013
515
Australia has done well in relative terms. Very well.

But compared to NZ they ended up way behind us in terms of the impact to their society and their economy.

Australia is a big Island with closed borders.

Had they a national lead response they could have at least matched NZ and in some ways likely surpassed it.

Per Capita, they have many times New Zealands health budget. They have many times more staff. They have many times the man power and budget to run contact tracing.

People don't appreciate that Australia is really NZ in this covid thing, scaled up, with more resources to manage the virus.

The state versus federal govt thing is where they failed themselves. Like I said earlier, if the existential threat to Australia was millitary....would there even be a discussion about the Federal vs State Govt roles?

No, because the Federal Govt has the power and the mandate to exercise absolute sovereignty under conditions of National threat.

But Morrison’s Govt did a Trump, they entered into this idea...and remember it is just an idea, of the Federal Govt having a role once removed.

So you had several States all running different experiments, because that is what they are, experimental models instead of one unified top down lead Federal level Ministry of health lead response.

In deaths alone Aussie has nine hundred versus our twenty five.
Per capita that is multiple times worse than the NZ (touch wood) figures. But overall they have done well....but not well enough for us to have a bubble.

Aussie could have smashed this thing. They could have smashed it early. They have at least the same parameters as NZ with the benefit of more to fight with.

Are you just going to acknowledge the bigger govt and health system while ignoring the increase in population to look after? Or the bigger number of travellers to handle therefore greater risk? Etc etc etc
 
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Off The Bench

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Eh.
Total lack of knowledge about our team
Not included Katoa in the picture.lets us know they are not up
With the warriors.
A lot of other things they missed in their assessment .
We are going into the finals this year .The only question is how far in .
 

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Total lack of knowledge about our team
Not included Katoa in the picture.lets us know they are not up
With the warriors.
A lot of other things they missed in their assessment .
We are going into the finals this year .The only question is how far in .
I will tell ya how far in were going ...



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