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If I rubbed a genie and was granted 3 wishes the first for 2020 would be that Cameron George walks to the edge of the plank and jumps off permanently.The other 2 I'm working on.
Hopefully you are saving another space on the plank for Kearney.

3rd spot needs to be saved for Adam Blair.
 
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I would beg to differ Matalino ,Packer ,SJ ,FUS ,Ken ,Bunty ,Paasi ,Ah Mau ,Elijah Taylor , Mannering , an others are all full-time NRL players
That is 10 players over a long period. Sort of supports what Smith said. Look at the Storm most of their squads are their own.
 
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I can understand we need to go through the rebuilding process again, develop youngsters etc etc.

But why do management have such a high opinion of Steven Kearney? That's what worries me.
 
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I would not sack SK unless we get a top coach who can help with recruitment in the meantime.
SK was employed by Watson, even though the current management extended his contract.

They had the chance with Bellamy but blew that. End of story, history.

The best coach would be somebody from Australia with SK as an assistant to sort the bro problem. That isn't going to happen.

So Smith says hang on tight and see if we can turn the club around anyway, because there actually is no other option, is there?

That is the point. The standard answer when people have complaints is are you just grizzling or do you have another option?

Right now with SK we don't, simple as that. He might screw the club, but show us another option.

Where I had a change of heart last night was on two points, thank heyzeuss for the Robinson family. They might save this club and in the process need all the support we as fans can give them.

Brian Smith is not a passenger. He is bleeding for this club. He is "advising" SK, no doubt about that.
 
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But why do management have such a high opinion of Steven Kearney? That's what worries me.
Cos right now they have no other option, and I think that goes from before they resigned him, which I still think was a dumb move. However I am less concerned about the resigning than I was. This club is in the shite and I don't know who they could attract to sort it so I will go with Smith and SK.
 
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So they need 3 years to rebuild the club. What have they been doing over the last 3 years.

Seriously these guys are kidding themselves.

I seriously feel like all progress made last uear has been lost. Everyone took their foot off the pedal cause we made the finals
 
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I seriously feel like all progress made last uear has been lost. Everyone took their foot off the pedal cause we made the finals
I don't think it has been lost. I think they had a purple patch in April last year, that covered a lot of shortcomings that came back to bite them on the bum after the Melbourne game. I think the main shortcoming is mental toughness.
 
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I don't think it has been lost. I think they had a purple patch in April last year, that covered a lot of shortcomings that came back to bite them on the bum after the Melbourne game. I think the main shortcoming is mental toughness.
Bruce, Did you feel they had a plan in place to install the mental skills required in the NRL. Every club has a specialist working with players, do we know who is doing that for the warriors?
 
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Bruce, Did you feel they had a plan in place to install the mental skills required in the NRL. Every club has a specialist working with players, do we know who is doing that for the warriors?
The question was asked about a mental coach and CG gave a generic answer that they do have someone. Didn’t put any names to it though.
 
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Bruce, Did you feel they had a plan in place to install the mental skills required in the NRL. Every club has a specialist working with players, do we know who is doing that for the warriors?
Bloody good point.

Somebody asked about a mental skills coach, which George proudly responded to that they spent a lot of effort on that and I am sure they do. One thing people don't understand is that the psychological stressors on a Polynesian are very different to that of a Palagi.

I know there were some posters there last night because I heard "dropped lips" mentioned and it wasn't me. :D

If I had to guess they want to change the balance of the squad. They would be mad if they didn't. Enough of them have been to the Crusaders over the years to find out how they do it.
 
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The question was asked about a mental coach and CG gave a generic answer that they do have someone. Didn’t put any names to it though.
I think it’s jamie pennell, been with the team since last year. Was a few articles on him last year
 
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The question was asked about a mental coach and CG gave a generic answer that they do have someone. Didn’t put any names to it though.
They have hired mental coaches in the past on a as-required basis rather than FT. It's nothing new for this club as it's common knowledge that the players on average would rate as the mentally weakest in all of the NRL.
 
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Can someone who went to the forum please listen to the VFTES podcast on the forum (linked on sidebar on frontpage)? I see people praising Brian Smith on here who went, yet it seemed like the guys on the podcast saw through the bullshitometer and responded very differently.

P.s 1995Warriorsfan 1995Warriorsfan kindly took a recording of it and it'll be posted soon.
 
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I can understand we need to go through the rebuilding process again, develop youngsters etc etc.

But why do management have such a high opinion of Steven Kearney? That's what worries me.
Cause they have attached their cart to his horse. George extended his contract so now needs to try and cover up his shortcomings to keep his job
 
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I’ve got a friend who texted me after the forum. He’s a bit touchy at the moment because he had been involved with the development side of the club previously. He felt that Smith should have acknowledged what they had tried to do with very limited resources and he felt it would have been better for Smith to say that the Warriors did have development pathways but those won’t comparable to other NRL clubs. Smith and POS are now trying to develop those pathways in the club.

Part of this also comes down to the direction the ARL were pushing the club as an avenue for senior Auckland club players to become reserve grade and, ultimately, first grade players in order to keep the clubs who lost their grants happy.
bloody hell! club politics and success in sport do not mix!
 
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One of Brian Smiths points is that the club has slowly got itself into more "rocky roads" all the way back to 1995.

He said problems like that upset the fans and they start calling for heads to roll, when they are not the real reason we are in trouble. He said there is no point sacking the management if they are not the real cause. He has a point.

One of the best coaches we ever had was Mark Graham, but he got the boot before he could build on what he did because Watson came along. Monie was not my favourite but he really got the boot because he was mates with Ian Robson and the club was going down the gurgler because of Robson.

Whoever you believe was at fault between Lowe and the Tainui, the Super League war and Ian Robson were to blame, yet their falling out brought Watson in.

Watson has had way more advantages than the Tainui/Lowe or the original ARL had because if nothing else our airfares get paid. Nobody called for Watson to get sacked, but his under investment in the club was one of the best con jobs ever. Not surprising for a con man I suppose.

Then Watson escapes with $17 million on the back of some flakey Septic Tank, who just landed in his lap, and left the club under resourced and under capitalised. Many, including moi, could see that happening before the sale.

So yes I think Cameron George is a shallow bullshitter who I would not want to have a beer with. However to be honest it isn't his fault the club is in the shite. He inherited it and actually performed admirably when the sale process was going down.

Now to Kearney, he is in a club that is under resourced and under funded with a with a bad record so he is finding it difficult to recruit. If he had a better squad and more resources he might actually be performing better as a coach.

That point of view is not designed to cheer anybody up, because it means we are in the shite. What Smith is saying is we are not going to get out of the shite by sacking SK, or George.

Does that make sense? It does to me, if you trust the judgement of Smith, which I do. BTW I am sure he is giving advice to SK, strongly too.
Understand what was said but how will they sit there next year if we miss the finals again? The drum may beat harder for their heads and I wonder how they will handle that pressure? And also what does he mean by us being in the shit? What is the shit? Is it bad players?

I cannot argue with that. It was a pretty poor presentation by George. He would have done a better job sitting in the corner with the dunce cap on.

Having said that I interpreted the impassioned plea from Smith is that they are trying very hard. I know he was blaming the former owners, but hey he is right, especially with Watson. They have under invested in junior development, actually Smith said they haven't invested at all.

That sure as hell doesn't mean everything is rosy though. It is glass half full, and that is being kind. The Robinsons are very brave for putting their money on the line for this club.

I will buy my season tickets again.

Oh, somebody mentioned Cameron George as a used car salesman. Heyzeuss spare me, that is an insult to used car salesmen.
Ruce where are sitting next season so I can buy you a beer and a fritz

Brian Smith is a passionate man about his football and is well positioned to assist with rebuild of the club.

However, 3 years to bear the fruits of hard work is a long time especially when the last 7 or 8 seasons has been pretty lean.

Also, by suggesting it's a 3 year timeline before improvement can be evidence is buying time for all concerned.

The challenge for the club is that for juniors to develop they need some strong mentors with experience in the squad. The likes of Green, Blair will be long departed and wil RTS and Harris still be around in the next couple of years.

Unless there is a radical improvement to the club performances next season the Warriors wil be languishing at the bottom of the ladder playing in front of small crowds.

Supporters need some encouragement to attend games not IF BUTS AND MAYBE that in 3 years it will be ok.

A starting point is the brand of football SK is coaching is not entertaining. Then last 15 minutes or so of the Canberra game is what fans want to witness.
And who's to say it will be better in three years? And there is george fronting at the start of the season saying we aren't here to make up the numbers! We are aiming to win the thing is what I heard? Maybe that is thingy or jason gun?

Tom Ale and Pompey were also on development contracts.

NRL has a full list on their website of every player under contract, when their contracts end and development players.
Where can you find this list? Cheers!

TBH is sounded like a heap of kaka, culture/work/effort blah blah etc

You can see effort, the problem is that many of the players selected aren't that good or fitted to their selected role and the game plan sucks: we try to play a power game without power.

I don't have to be a league mastermind to know this because simple observation shows me how other teams OBVIOUSLY implement game plans: e.g Storm will work the edges to tire out big middle forwards in teams like Canberra or Manly, the Broncos will attempt to make a debut Bulldogs centre tackle 30 times while the other centre makes 6 tackles the entire game... You can't really see that with this team: Maybe the only time it was obvious was actually against the Broncos where we targeted their rookie edge and then just stopped.

It's not like we even try to create broken field chaos through second phase play where many of our team flourish.

Then we let players with heaps of potential slide without giving them a proper shot.

Talk about frustrating, they're going to have to do something quick because I don't think they can sustain 3 years of losses (on the field and financial). There is too much stuff for punters to do these days - particularly if the footy is boring.
We just make our reserve team better by playing on Tuesdays and captain runs!

Just so you guys know we are offering david Fafita the whole island of waiheke plus his contract to come next year. He will also have an option for head coach straight after his playing career, and we will bring back running out of the tunnel as the players will have to chariot him out.

I would believe all of that.

I got the impression Smith was actually uncomfortable speaking, so it didn't come out as somebody like Barrack Obama would have put it. Just saying like.

I don't think Smith was ever criticising the staff, just the former owners. As for the reserve grade bit I remember the Vulcans were once the Warriors reserve grade, and the ARL paid all their expenses. So the ARL have a history of doing their fair bit for the club in development. Smith might not have known that.

I think Smith with his Australian experience would want the professional club in charge of things. Like he said he has had more clubs in his bag than Jack Nicklaus.. If I recall he was coach at the Steelers when they were a real marginal club compared to the pokie giants of Sydney. The Steelers ended up an important part of the Dragons eventually anyway.

I think it is very sad the club and the ARL are parting ways. The club was the ARL's baby after all. I would hope that the club prospers and can then look after the ARL as a feeder.
Mate this is rugby league! Imagine Obama going tonight YOU KNOW our task you know forces you know killed you know osama bin laden you know we got the bastard! I mean did anyone see how one journo question to pompey got that kid suspended for 8 weeks! He didn't even understand the question🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣 on and off the feild man!

I got a cant stop trophy lol!
 
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Can someone who went to the forum please listen to the VFTES podcast on the forum (linked on sidebar on frontpage)? I see people praising Brian Smith on here who went, yet it seemed like the guys on the podcast saw through the bullshitometer and responded very differently.

P.s 1995Warriorsfan 1995Warriorsfan kindly took a recording of it and it'll be posted soon.
I listened to the podcast and they pretty much echo how I feel about the club right now.
-There’s problems we can all see yet there seems to be little being done to addressing them- whether the current crop aren’t capable or there’s no easy solution are a point of contention. Scary thing is that most of us could see problems a long time ago (players not held accountable for poor performances, problems in game plans, bizarre tactics particularly around bench use.) but Kearney only just seems to be realising too late- the training one was particularly odd, are we expected to believe that we just realised we are shit trainers AFTER the season is done? Why wasn’t it addressed during the season? How many times after a crap performance did we hear Kearney say ‘we prepared well during the week/at training’. I am starting to smell some pretty rank bullshit around the joint.
-Same old promises of sorting shit out but not progressing anywhere.
-Long term fans sick of the lack of progress
- No real hope that next year is going to be any better, more and more fans feeling disengaged.
-It’s time to stop blaming the refs for our shit season.

I know for one I am feeling frustrated and more and more disengaged, I went to 1 game this season (Tigers game in Campbelltown) and couldn’t stomach going to more, I went a month in the middle of the year and again at the end of the season recording games and watching later, at this stage I won’t be renewing my membership or buying merch next year.

This is in contrast to going to every game I could, planning my weekends around watching games(this included finding coverage overseas multiple times), only missing a couple of games since day 1 in 95, buying each new jersey as the came out (after I could afford them myself).
I used to get angry when people shat on the Warriors, now it’s getting harder to argue
 
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