Recruitment 2017 Warriors Recruitment Strategy and Targets

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2017 Warriors Recruitment Strategy and Targets
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Mainly a thread for ideas about the Warriors recruitment or recruited players. Also a dumping ground for off topic posts from the Recruitment and Rumour thread that deserve to be discussed.

Opinions may include what positions the club need to recruit in, the type of player (professional, high work rate, etc), failings in the last recruitment office, establishing an office in Australia, why player X was not a good recruitment choice, recruiting from outside Auckland... the list is endless.
 

mt.wellington

Warriors Orange Peeler
Jun 21, 2012
22,693
Mt. Wellington, Auckland
Thought Id bring across the info from the locked Roster thread over here for discussion. Gonna be a busy year for Tony Iro with the amount of players coming off contract. Some from the 2018 list need to be re-signed as well to fight off the vultures.

If anyone spots a mistake, missed player or updated info let us know...

2017 Vodafone Warriors NRL squad
Backs: Ata Hingano, Blake Ayshford, Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad, David Fusitua, Ken Maumalo, Kieran Foran, Manu Vatuvei, Mason Lino, Matt Allwood, Roger Tuivasa-Sheck, Shaun Johnson, Solomone Kata, Tuimoala Lolohea

Forwards: Albert Vete, Nathaniel Roache, Ben Matulino, Bodene Thompson, Bunty Afoa, Charlie Gubb, Erin Clark, Issac Luke, Jacob Lillyman, James Gavet, Jazz Tevaga, Jordan Pinnock, Junior Paunga, Isaiah Papalii, Ligi Sao, Nathaniel Roache, Ofahiki Ogden, Patrick Sipley, Paul Tuli, Ryan Hoffman, Sam Lisone, Simon Mannering, Toafofoa Sipley

Players and Contract Length in Alphabetical Order
Albert Vete 2017 - Link
Ata Hingano 2017 - Link
Ben Matulino 2017 - Link
Blake Ayshford 2017 - Link
Bodene Thompson 2017 - Link
Bunty Afoa 2019 - Link
Charlie Gubb 2017 - Link
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad 2017 - Link
David Fusitua 2019 - Link
Erin Clark 2017 - Link
Issac Luke 2018 - Link
Jacob Lillyman 2017 - Link
James Gavet 2017 - Link
Jazz Tevaga 2018 - Link
Jordan Pinnock 2017 - Link
Junior Paunga 2018 - Link
Ken Maumalo 2018 - Link
Kieran Foran 2017 - Link
Isaiah Papalii 2019 - Link
Ligi Sao 2017 - Link
Manu Vatuvei 2018 - Link
Mason Lino 2017 - Link
Matt Allwood 2017 - Link
Nathaniel Roache 2017 - Link
Ofahiki Ogden 2017 - Link
Patrick Sipley 2017 - Link
Paul Tuli 2015 - Link???
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck 2018 - Link
Ryan Hoffman 2017 - Link
Sam Lisone 2018 - Link
Shaun Johnson 2017 - Link
Simon Mannering 2018 - Link
Solomone Kata 2019 - Link
Toafofoa Sipley 2017 - Link
Tomasi Aoake 2015 - Link???
Tuimoala Lolohea 2018 - Link

Year to Year Summary
Off Contract 2017

Albert Vete
Ben Matulino
Blake Ayshford
Bodene Thompson
Charlie Gubb
Charnze Nicoll-Klokstad
Erin Clark
Jacob Lillyman
James Gavet
Jordan Pinnock
Kieran Foran
Ligi Sao
Mason Lino
Matt Allwood
Nathaniel Roache
Ofahiki Ogden
Patrick Sipley
Ryan Hoffman
Shaun Johnson
Toafofoa Sipley

Off Contract 2018

Issac Luke
Jazz Tevaga
Junior Paunga
Ken Maumalo
Manu Vatuvei
Roger Tuivasa-Sheck
Sam Lisone
Simon Mannering
Tuimoala Lolohea

Off Contract 2019


Bunty Afoa
David Fusitua
Isaiah Papalii
Solomone Kata

Losses and Releases
2017

No releases to date

2016 Losses


Raymond Faitala-Mariner - Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs
Konrad Hurrell - Gold Coast Titans
Jeff Robson 2016 - Released Parramatta Eels
Ben Henry - Retired
Thomas Leuluai - Released to return to the UK
Steve Waetford
Ali Lauitiiti - Retired
Upu Poching - ???

2015 Losses

Brad Abbey - Canterbury-Bankstown Bulldogs
Chad Townsend - Cronulla-Sutherland Sharks
David Bhana - Newcastle Knights
Dominique Peyroux - Catalans Dragons
Glen Fisiiahi - Counties Manukau Rugby Union
Nathan Friend - Gold Coast Titans
Nathaniel Peteru - Gold Coast Titans
Ngani Laumape - Wellington Hurricanes Rugby Union
Sam Cook - Newcastle Knights
Sam Tomkins - Wigan Warriors
Sebastine Ikahihifo - St George-Illawarra Dragons
Siliva Havili - St George-Illawarra Dragons
Suaia Matagi - Sydney Roosters
 
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Jordan G

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Does anyone have confirmation on Vete. I'm sure someone (might have even been Iro himself) said we had an option on Vete for 2018 when the Titans rumours started up.

Also the off contract 2017 list has Roache twice.
 
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Murraytd

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Sep 5, 2014
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Brisbane
Follow the link by his name.







And prepared to be bitterly disappointed :( :( :(...
will be disappointed if Manu is in the team based on his income, as opposed to his form and effectiveness. tough calls need to be made, hopefully competition is fierce and Manu can see that the mortgage he has had over the jumper is no longer in place. Still astounded that given Manus recent performances, age and effectiveness that a contract extension was offered....As a supporter this is the s$%t that grates me. we have a soft edge embracing the whole organisation. I hear the talk from here the Jim Doyle is an astute operator, so hoping that a harder edge is instilled across the whole organisation. Sick of limp decisions just making it harder for us.
 
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mt.wellington

Warriors Orange Peeler
Jun 21, 2012
22,693
Mt. Wellington, Auckland
will be disappointed if Manu is in the team based on his income, as opposed to his form and effectiveness. tough calls need to be made, hopefully competition is fierce and Manu can see that the mortgage he has had over the jumper is no longer in place. Still astounded that given Manus recent performances, age and effectiveness that a contract extension was offered....As a supporter this is the s$%t that grates me. we have a soft edge embracing the whole organisation. I hear the talk from here the Jim Doyle is an astute operator, so hoping that a harder edge is instilled across the whole organisation. Sick of limp decisions just making it harder for us.
Agree wholeheartedly. As far as retention goes the club need to grow a set. I appreciate we have some hurdles in terms of recruiting players of similar ilk without blowing the budget but Manu's contract was far too long for someone who was already showing signs of decline. One year too long IMO. This year should have been his final one with a drastically reduced offer for 2018 that would suit the club or ensure he heads to the UK.

Manu still has a lot to offer. Fact is he is still one of the two best wingers in the team along with the emergent David Fusitua. There really is only Tuimoala Lolohea and Ken Maumalo who are next in the pecking order.

Doyle can be as astute as he wants but when it comes to the make up of the team thats all on the coach. Always has been and always will be. It was Cappy who wanted Manu Vatuvei re-signed. It was Cappy that wanted Konrad Hurrell re-signed. Coaches team. Coaches call. Here's hoping Mooks is the astute one and gets it right this time round and Tony Iro and Jim Doyle get the salary and length end right...
 

diehard

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Jan 27, 2016
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Yep, Cappy wants Manu and Hurrell re-signed, and they shit on him by doing prescription drugs after a big loss. That's loyalty for ya'.
 
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bruce

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Sep 1, 2015
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Yep, Cappy wants Manu and Hurrell re-signed, and they shit on him by doing prescription drugs after a big loss. That's loyalty for ya'.
I think the prescription drugs thing is widespread. The last straw was mixing with Hurrell to do it.
 

kabkram

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Oct 21, 2015
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"Sideshow Bob" has already gone to the Titans all of a sudden.
Speaking of Sideshow, a friend of a friend of a friend tells me he reckons that Titans preseason isn't nearly as tuff or arduous as the Storm's. And thats what worries me about signing Storm players, you're getting the player not the Storm and you take Bellamy, Smith, Cronk and Slater out of the equation and you're left with SK, Luke, SJ and RTS. . . . Dammit why does that look pretty good on paper?
 

snake77

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Jul 12, 2013
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Speaking of Sideshow, a friend of a friend of a friend tells me he reckons that Titans preseason isn't nearly as tuff or arduous as the Storm's. And thats what worries me about signing Storm players, you're getting the player not the Storm and you take Bellamy, Smith, Cronk and Slater out of the equation and you're left with SK, Luke, SJ and RTS. . . . Dammit why does that look pretty good on paper?
A situation our club also should be familiar with taking Dane Nielsen and Todd Lowrie out of their system. The Storm pre-seasons have a reputation for being up there with the best. Something I'd like to hear about our side. Although the news you mention about the Titans training is kind of good to hear as it is about another club instead of ours for a change.

Harris wouldn't be a bad pick up if we are looking to rebuild our forward pack. Again hopefully we replicate his form at the Storm.

It will be interesting to see what sort of fight the Storm put up for him. They usually build their sides around the big 3 and recycle the other positions with a good record of getting guys to play above the level they showed at their previous clubs. The big 3 are getting older now so they may need to keep guys they previously were happy to let go. After losing Proctor you'd think signing Harris and NAS would be up their in terms of priority.
 

Dunedin warrior

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Nov 10, 2014
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With so many players off contract this year it is crucial that we get our recruitment right for this year as it won't be as easy to change direction in future years.

I think we have made mistakes in signing the big names (Luke, RTS, Hoffman ) without thinking about the differences in the styles of play and strengths in their previous teams.

Luke was extremely effective behind the Burgess brothers and co, the size of the Rabbitohs pack enabling quick play the balls and space up the middle for his running game and giving him time to run through his options. Our pack lacks the size to do that.

RTS set records in 2015 playing off skilful back rowers with offloading skills and talented halfs who like to take the ball to the line. We don't have any ball playing backrowers and our star half prefers to take the ball from depth.

Hoffman was a great cog in a highly organised efficient storm team where every thing is role based and highly structured. We have never been able to play this way and worse still have had to move our most consistent and one of our best players from his favoured position, to one in my opinion not 100% suited to.

I think management need to think carefully about recruiting players that are going to compliment the big three in Johnson, Luke and RTS and bring out the best in them.
 
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