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Labour parties or left wing parties need to move further left to counter the rights shift further right. Otherwise they'll lose. Or we will shift so far right we will have our own trump/millei
 
Rick O’Shay said:
As does the Labour Party here. Lost their way IMO.
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Not the be end and all end but one party having things like fair pay agreements and one party canning them suggests one party leans towards workers, or at least those potentially taken advantage of more than the other. Even things like pay freezes in covid times and even now willing to take one while the other major party is silent in relation to the matter speaks volumes to me. Personally got no time for either but token gestures like this go a ways to me when things aren’t going well and governments performance is questionable
 
Noitall said:
Not the be end and all end but one party having things like fair pay agreements and one party canning them suggests one party leans towards workers, or at least those potentially taken advantage of more than the other. Even things like pay freezes in covid times and even now willing to take one while the other major party is silent in relation to the matter speaks volumes to me. Personally got no time for either but token gestures like this go a ways to me when things aren’t going well and governments performance is questionable
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Look in the grand scheme , yes , they are more ' benevolent ' but tbh it's not good enough. We deserve better than a choice than that.
 
BabylonPink said:
Labour parties or left wing parties need to move further left to counter the rights shift further right. Otherwise they'll lose. Or we will shift so far right we will have our own trump/millei
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Just need more focus on the average voter.

The death of politics is that parties identify their voting pool and favour them creating win/ loss situations

All policies should be what’s best for the country and the majority.
 
Noitall said:
Not the be end and all end but one party having things like fair pay agreements and one party canning them suggests one party leans towards workers, or at least those potentially taken advantage of more than the other. Even things like pay freezes in covid times and even now willing to take one while the other major party is silent in relation to the matter speaks volumes to me. Personally got no time for either but token gestures like this go a ways to me when things aren’t going well and governments performance is questionable
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Fair pay agreements are woke rubbish. Any worker can get a job in any industry in the age of feminism. Fair pay agreements = Misogyny

Labour has done what’s best for Labour (not the country) throwing cash at female voters. Fiddling with unimportant stuff while Rome burns comes to mind and is why they got kicked out last term.

Labour = females, Māori, low income and unions. Doesn’t represent the average worker and average New Zealander unfortunately and when voters don’t feel represented they are driven to political fringes (like Trump).

Labour and Nationals must be broad church parties.
 
BabylonPink said:
Look in the grand scheme , yes , they are more ' benevolent ' but tbh it's not good enough. We deserve better than a choice than that.
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Nothing really is any different than the American two party system, we have 6 genuine options but it ends in the main two still being the outcome. I’ve made my view many times that I believe the whole thing is largely no different no matter who and we get a vote as a token gesture. The system is a machine that chugs on
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Fair pay agreements are woke rubbish. Any worker can get a job in any industry in the age of feminism. Fair pay agreements = Misogyny

Labour has done what’s best for Labour (not the country) throwing cash at female voters. Fiddling with unimportant stuff while Rome burns comes to mind and is why they got kicked out last term.

Labour = females, Māori, low income and unions. Doesn’t represent the average worker and average New Zealander unfortunately and when voters don’t feel represented they are driven to political fringes (like Trump).

Labour and Nationals must be broad church parties.
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Lay off the Winston rallies, you’re even sounding like him
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Fair pay agreements are woke rubbish. Any worker can get a job in any industry in the age of feminism. Fair pay agreements = Misogyny

Labour has done what’s best for Labour (not the country) throwing cash at female voters. Fiddling with unimportant stuff while Rome burns comes to mind and is why they got kicked out last term.

Labour = females, Māori, low income and unions. Doesn’t represent the average worker and average New Zealander unfortunately and when voters don’t feel represented they are driven to political fringes (like Trump).

Labour and Nationals must be broad church parties.
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So females aren't average new Zealanders. Or average workers.

What an ignorant silly thing to say.
 
Noitall said:
Nothing really is any different than the American two party system, we have 6 genuine options but it ends in the main two still being the outcome. I’ve made my view many times that I believe the whole thing is largely no different no matter who and we get a vote as a token gesture. The system is a machine that chugs on
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Read an article the other day about the major parties here sitting on or below the 30%. Explained that the new order of politics with MMP is we can expect to see that figure decline and the minor parties share increasing, on both sides.

This should increase the minor party influence in policy once the negotiations start.

Keep an eye on the polls
 
wizard of Tauranga said:
Fair pay agreements are woke rubbish. Any worker can get a job in any industry in the age of feminism. Fair pay agreements = Misogyny

Labour has done what’s best for Labour (not the country) throwing cash at female voters. Fiddling with unimportant stuff while Rome burns comes to mind and is why they got kicked out last term.

Labour = females, Māori, low income and unions. Doesn’t represent the average worker and average New Zealander unfortunately and when voters don’t feel represented they are driven to political fringes (like Trump).

Labour and Nationals must be broad church parties.
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Then maybe we need George Galloway to come down and start the NZ Socialist Workers Party for people who get out of bed and bloody work for a living goddamit, he'll sort out the plutocrat overlords and the Epstein class, who, by the way, was no ordinary perrrverrrt.
 
Rick O’Shay said:
Read an article the other day about the major parties here sitting on or below the 30%. Explained that the new order of politics with MMP is we can expect to see that figure decline and the minor parties share increasing, on both sides.

This should increase the minor party influence in policy once the negotiations start.

Keep an eye on the polls
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I can see the greens challenging them in time because of younger people gravitating and if voters stick with them that base grows whereas a party like NZ first is largely at the other end of the spectrum
 
Noitall said:
I can see the greens challenging them in time because of younger people gravitating and if voters stick with them that base grows whereas a party like NZ first is largely at the other end of the spectrum
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Yes greens and true independents are the way.
True left and independents. Not minor parties that preference right or centre.
Shift the paradigm. More voices from different perspectives, scrutinising policies and actually doing politics. Rather than bipartisan on everything except stupid social issues.
 
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